BECOMING A MUSLIM AFTER 9/11: DID I DESERVE TO GET ALL ANGER DIRECTED TO ME?
82Through this hub I would like to express my deep sorrow and condolence on the loss and also the pain that have to be experienced and faced by all the victims and their families of 9 / 11 attacked . May God will give us all the strength to survive and to take lessons from this incident.
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Becoming a Muslim after 9/11: did I deserve to get all anger directed to myself?
This is question that I ask to myself, which I believe become a question from many Muslim in this world too. Joined Hub Pages 10 months ago, I found many people inside this community full of hatred toward Muslim. Not all, of course, but many; who so freely said so many accusations without strong basis of knowledge. I honestly do not know if this hatred already there before 9/11, but I realized that 9/11 attacked is the reason why I have to experiencing this.
I remember that day, when I seen the news on TV about this incident for the first time. I sat there, with the mouth open, and tears felled from my eyes, strongly shocked and sad and worried about how worst the attacked caused to the victims; how many life had to be lost and how hard it will be to faced such a violent and worst tragedy. I didn’t know the victims and their family members personally, I am not American and I have no relation to this tragedy, but this is fellow human, and as many human in this world too, at that time, I grieved for all victims and their family. I understand very well, this is an attack to the world, and not only to America. That is why the pain is entire world’s pain and not American’s pain only. Never crossed in my mind for any second that I am, and all my family in faith will have to pay for this.
We called them terrorist and we condemn their acts too. As Indonesian, my country already experienced so many attacked from them too, while this country hold the biggest Muslim in the world. Maybe not as big as 9/11, but no one should underestimate the terrorist attacks, no matter how small the damage and loss caused by it, it still the action we all should cursed. But “Bali attacked” is not small incidents and it is not only killed non believer of Islam. Most of the victims are Indonesian and also Muslim. See, we have our pain too and understand about it very well. I am not trying to make comparison. Just want you to understand that I, and also my family of faith, really know and familiar with your pain too.
I am Muslim. I learned about my religion and living my life under Sharia law. My community is big numbers of community and we grow faster, spreading our knowledge about God and life with love, unless my closest community is. I read Al Qur’an and applying it in daily life. I read all verses about Jihad and all things that non believer of Islam accused it as the voices of violence. But never crossed in my mind even once, I have to kill non believer of my faith, because I never read it that way. I never translated my Book of God in that way. Did am I so stupid so I never see this inside Al Qur’an: that I allowed and ordered to kill those who do not want to walk together in our faith? I might not that smart, but I am sure, I am not that stupid! And please, trust me; I am not the only Muslim whose have this thought.
I and my Muslim community never accepted those terrorist as our family in faith. We are afraid to the extremist, and terrorist way worst than the extremist! They are not Muslim! They just crazy people who used religion as excuse to fill their need on killing which me and my Muslim family refused to be related with them and condemn their acts too. Once they kill people, while God already told Muslim to never kill a soul; they no longer Muslim. They have no religion, or they have it and the religion called as Evil, with Satan as their God and Hell as their kingdom!
Several times, when I am appeared in the Religion Forum, I got attacked because my religion and what I wear. I had been seen in so many times as crazy blinded and deluded person because I believe in Allah and Al Qur’an; like those terrorist said they are. I even got mocked for what I wear. Someone said I insulted him just by wearing scarf on my head, saying that is my way to tell him about my God without using any words. WHAT? I wearing scarf on my head because it is my obligation; because Allah, through Al Qur’an, ordered me and all Muslim women to wear it. Scarf on my head is about my relationship with God and never has any other relation with any other matters, but God. If I caused him feared because of it, it is simply because he is too self-centered and thinks this world only moving around him. Now tell me, who is the blind one?
Please, my fellow human, let put this on the table and think. In this world, we have so many Muslim. If I am not wrong, Muslim is more than 1 billion today. pintails7886 told me that only 3 % of this numbers is an extremist or terrorist. I asked this question in the forum once and I will ask again; if my religion is the reason why people turned into terrorist, don’t you think all Muslim should become terrorist by now, and not only 3%?
I know your pain, America. I feel that too. But please, try to put your feet on my shoes for several minutes and feel what I feel. Please think about how hard living in the world which hate Muslim, even if I never do anything wrong. Please think about how hard it is to get all anger and accusation from everywhere for the things I never done. Is it fair for me to get this all? Is it? I am not terrorist and never even closed with it. But why it is me who have to get all anger?
This is my question and I believe become many Muslim question too. I wish this can make several of you understand, even if just a little; about what I and my Muslim family feel after 9/11 attacked. Insha Allah, if it is Allah's will.
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I will share and post this amongst my friends on Face Book I want others to understand and stand behind the 97% of peaceful Muslims.
Dear Freya, we have our extremists too, and I guess you have met some in the forums. You don't deserve this kind of hatred. I think you are very brave to write this hub and I know about you nation and its problems as well. I hold no ill will for you or your people of faith. I cannot abide anyone who spouts hatred and demanding others to kill. Bless you woman and much love and peace. Charlie
Freya, I am sorry you are going through pain because of the actions of extremists. Truly I am. The anger in the Western world is justified but not every Muslim is an extremist. There may be a majority of Muslims who are peaceful, caring people but here is the problem. Until the majority stand up and subdue the extremists, this will continue. You see, we can't take the chance of having these few destroy our way of life. Shariah law is not something we want or will tolerate in free nations. It does not have a place in our democracies. Muslim nations are, of course, free to determine their own systems as we are. There has been a lot of damage over the years and a lot of false statements and fabricated news stories to elicit public sympathy from these extremists. I also know that Muslims who do stand up and condemn these actions risk their own lives. This is what we do not want for our nations. Peaceful Muslims must take a stand and risk the threats in order to fix it. Otherwise, there will always be fear and mistrust. The alternative is unthinkable. Yes, It's time to stop letting a few rule the many. This would be the first step in proving no hidden agenda. You see, Freya, we are not talking about beliefs or religious freedom here. We are talking about the loss of freedom. Organized religion has caused more hatred and bloodshed in human history than anything else. Jihad has no place in the modern world. However, when peaceful Muslims gain courage in the face of threat, they may be surprised to find they have many friends among those who are now called infidels.
Great hub Freya. It is true, the vast majority of Muslims get the blame for the few. This is mostly do to misinformation and lies spread by those who hears someone say something they like and repeat it without verification.
SilverGenes, some of your points are valid however some of them are misguided. Jihad, has a place in anyones life. Jihad as Described by the Qur'an is an internal war one has with their own heart to remove all evil from with in themselves. However this word has been perverted and misused to describe the actions of modern terrorist that claim to do the work of God.
The fact that you say Muslims do not stand up against these people tells me a couple of things, but most importantly that you get your information about this from a heavily biased media, and from people who openly hate Islam. Go to a Mosque on any Friday and hear what the Imam says to his followers about these acts, and what he asks us to do about it. Turn off the western media for 2 seconds and find a news source that is not so biased. BBC is usually pretty good about this, though sometimes they do exaggerate the truth a bit. I guess all media is like that. Anyways, go to a website called madina.com which has well over 50 thousand Muslim voices and see what they say about this. Dear just because you sources never show it to you or you don't hear it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Islam has cult following just like Christianity does, you are allowed to disown them but Islam can not disown theirs? This is crap and it is something many millions of Christians are guilty of. Where are the Christians speaking out and trying to stop their radical followers? In the church I know cause I have heard it, same as the Muslims in the Mosque. Open your eyes, beyond the T.V media and try going to the actual source. You can go to any mosque as a Christian woman and they will welcome you in with open arms not make you cover your hair and allow you to listen to our Prayers and our Teachings, invite you to eat with us and meet actual Muslims. Maybe it is something you should think about doing before accusing us of stuff you have absolutely know idea about. Just because it is not on CNN or FOX doesn't mean its not happening.
It is a very moving hub. Thank you for sharing. Believe it or not, as a Christian I have butted heads with Christian extremists. I do not think that God wants us to give up our free will even to him. Why would he give us free will just to expect us to surrender it? Anyway, you do have support from Hubbers. Well done.
Salam sister, thats really great. I thank u alot for this article because it really shows what Islam is all about. Its a religion of peace and does'nt condone violence in anyway.
About the issue of 9/11, I also sympathise with families of the victims because ''human beings are not but a single society'' (Quran). However, the issue of 9/11 has been analysed by many experts and about 70 % of american professors believe 9/11 was an inside job. U may go to the website loosechange911.com which is created by a 21 year old american for further scrutiny. U may also search for loose change videos on youtube because they give reasons why they think 911 was an inside job and they support their arguments with analysis from experts.
Hope we could build a better understanding based on mutual respect between the worlds major religions. I believe this is the only way because the way many americans and other westerners treat muslims is inciting and this will not make things any better rather it worsens the situation. Should we be victims of our own religion. Are we all terrorist because of what some minority does? This is'nt fair in every respect. Just consider what pastor Terry Jones plans to do recently on the eve of this years 9/11 anniversary, its something that may cause a serious problem between the society. So its better if we avoid any such things and resolve to dialogue and mutual respect. May god continue to help us all, ameen.
Hello Freya, 'Freya' happens to be my mother's name as well. So, already I like you. I feel for you too, I understand the majority of Muslims could not possibly be held responsible for the acts of a few extremists. I am at times ashamed to be an 'infidel', because of the minority in 'our' ranks who openly abuse and criticize others, it's pathetic.
Thank you for this wonderful article.
The several Muslim people who I follow and follow me are attractive personalities who I believe should voice their opinion and not be harrassed...the extermist hide from the gentle Muslims and persicute them just as much as anybody else,peace be with you Freya;)
Hi Freya! I will also share this on Facebook! Thank you so much for writing this! I have been attacked too, as many, not able to see me on other sites, thought I was a Muslim. This is because I have repeatedly defended Muslims, because you are not terrorists, I tell people that it is just an extremist faction, but they do not believe me! I Thank God for you! I have told people that if the read the "old Testament of the King James Version of the Bible," they will also find many things to be afraid of, as there is also an extremist view there! No one would listen, unless they were also sympathetic. I am so thankful for you!
I have a ? for you. Do you think liveing and seveing a false god is gonna get you anywhere ?. Do you think that the 3000 americans that died as a result of our kindness that we exstend to all nations as they come into our country and pervert it with nonesence and man made beleifs. There is only one God and his name is Jesus Christ. This is a proven fact do you know what ( ad- bc stands for, Jesus Christ is God manafested in the flesh for,he is the one that split time right downd the middle. ac stands for after death, and bc stands for before christ. So does the false god that you seve, is he able to raise the dead and heal the sick ? no because he doesn't exist. Become a christian born again and filled with the holt ghost. Do you know where the pilots are that hijacked those plans are ? they are in hell, what kind of a god tells you if you do such a thing as what they did you will go to heaven and have 10 virgins, ( thats stupid for heaven is a spritual place )and your humanity wont exist there. Wake up and find the truth like i have given you.
Forgive Russell, he ate too many paint chips as a child.
Russell, you are a moron. It is obvious you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Go and spew your bigoted lies to your white trash buddies who are just as stupid as you are. Do you think that all 3000 were american? Do you know Islam follow Jesus. Do you know that yes our God does heal the sick and raise the dead because it is the same God you worship. You don't even dignify a response i don't know why I am wasting my time.
Charlie, I think this guy ate more than paint chips along with his colored jelly beans, how stupid can one be with that moronic comment. This is the trashing you find in the forums, I guess he must hang out there.
Yes SR, and his spelling is atrocious too. I hate to think that she will see this from him.
Wonderful hub, Freya - straight from the heart. If we allow such acts to divide humanity, then the terrorists win.
I think that you are finding that most people are decent and kind but, sadly, any religion or political movement attracts its fringe elements. Just as Muslims have extremists, so do Christians. I wish that we could send them all to a small island where they can beat each other to death with Bibles and Qu'rans and leave the rest of us to live in peace.
So you are 'Born Again,' Russell - I kind of wish that you had never been born the first time. :)
HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Sufi that made me laugh. Some people open their mouth without thinking. They hear some one say something they like and agree with and sounds smart to them cause it fits their small mind so they repeat it thinking it will make them sound smart too, until they run into people who actually use their brain.
hEY PINTAILS YOUR AND IDIOT AND IF YOU NEW THE WORD OF gOD YOU WOULD SHUT YOUR MOUTH FOR YOUR TO YOUNG TO KNOW ANYTHING, MY BROTHER INLAW IS A MUSLIM AND i KNOW WHAT THEY BELEIVE SO THIS IS FOR YOU STUPID.
aCTS 2.38 IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN PERIOD YOU IDIOT YOU NEED TO STUDY BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH.
PINTAS NOW I SEE YOUR TO YOUNG TO KNOW ANYTHING WHAT ARE ABOUT 20 OR 22, YOUR YOUNG AND STUPID.
I am 28 my friend and I have forgotten more about the bible than you will ever know. And if you know Jesus so well do you think he would agree with the name calling and yelling? I went to a Christian school for 13 years and I was in seminary. Like so many of your bigot friends, they like to speak before they think, they love to tell us what we don't know.
You know nothing about Islam, nothing Russell. Open your eyes past your T.V and learn something before you open your mouth.
wELL YOU HAVE A BIBLE MOUTH I AM 50 AND HAVE THE HOLY GHOST FOR 45 YEARS AND WAS IT A CATOLIC SCHOOL FOR THAT SAYS IT ALL READ THE BOOK OF rEV AND IF YOU ARE AN AMERICAN AND A CHRISTIAN THEN YOU KNOW ABOUT THE 70 WEEKS OF DANIEL AND WHAT IT REPRESENTS AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WAS STUDYING THE BIBLE IN SCHOOL WHEN YOU WERE STILL SUCKING ON A BOTTLE, AND IF YOU KNOW GODS WORD THEN YOU KNOW THAT JESSUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN AND EPEH 4 .5 & 6 SAYS THERE IS ONLY THE FAITH ONE BAPTISIM AND ONE LORD AND WERE YOU BAPTISED IN JESUS NAME OR IN THE TITLES FOR THIS ALONE WILL TELL WHAT KIND OD SCHOLAR YOU ARE.
My keyboard is skipping, but you dont understand that Jesus said ( if ANYONE come preaching ANY other gospel than this 9WHAT HE TAUGHT THE DECIPLES ) let that man be a cursed , I could fill your head so full of scriptures it would blow your mind. You like so many others dont understand that Jesus name baptisim is the only way to heaven act's 2.38, My brother inlaw fast one mounth a year to his god, and this is how they do it, he sleeps all day and then gets up and goes right back to smokeing and drinking and cusing and thinks he is saved ( do you think he is saved ) or are you a cathlic which beleives about the same thing , gee lets see God said in the book of rev that the cathlic relegion is a whore, and as far as you knowing more than Ill ever know, your crazy. But this is where we are in America no respect for your elders, muslim is a false relegion and if you knew the word of God AT ALL you would know this but seeing's how you dont your ignorance remains.
Yo Freya!!! You already know I love you! You know it don't you Girl!
I have to pause just a second for Russell. Russell God's greatest law above ALL laws- is the we love one another. THE greatest law above ALL laws is that we do unto others as we would have others do unto us! That's the law.
I have treated some of these same people on this hub with love and respect and I have tried to hold them up. Freya is not going to hell. Pintails is not going to hell.
God bless you Pintails Brother Man!
God bless you Sister Freya.
These people will follow the Golden Rule if given half a chance. "As you do unto the least of these you do unto me".
I met a Jewish lady last week. I decided to honor Yom Kippur. I fasted. I tried to keep all the pledges.
I do have issues with some people who call themselves Muslim.
I have a problem with some Jews.
Yes, some Christians, etc.
If it will HELP- I will pray with every Muslim.
I will pray and fast with every Jew if it will help.
I will pray with Christians if it will help.
I will fast and walk from here to Washington and the ends of the earth with every faith if we can all lift each other up. The evils of earth delight in our being apart. We come from all corners of the world and our environment plays a roll in our faith and future. More than any theory, fact, or law, the Golden Rule must be accepted because it is a part of all religions. We who want peace and crave justice have to embrace each other and turn away from the lies and fighting.
We of faith in God must keep THE law and treat each other RIGHT and lift each other up! That is THE law and even some atheists keep this law of God above all laws.
Yo Saddlerider! Yo Ralwus! Rock on for the truth fellows! I love you Freya! I'll be here all week!
Freya: I believe you're a lovely human being, and you certainly don't deserve any anger being directed at you.
I went to Catholic Junior and Senior High schools for 6 years although I'm a Moslem and still I'm until now. My experience attending those schools has enriched my understanding about different religions and how to respect them. I share the same opinion with you Freya and other people in the world that we have the same enemy called terrorism. Islam is Rahmatan Lil Alamin or A religion which gives peace to all mankind.
Micky Dee - When you walk to Washington and the ends of the earth, it will be an honour to walk by your side :)
Ah, so there is something happened here while I am sleeping and working. Everyone, I feel so grateful to found so many nice and kind response from all of you. That's mean a lot to know this. ^_^
Saddlerider:
Thank you for your kindness, Sir. I really hope this Hub able to show what we really feel because of this attacked and many-many incidents after that. I really understand what we need to do about this, and trust me, young generation of Muslim today trying hard to fix it, unless many of Muslim friends I know doing this, through their works and their will to spread real teaching of Islam. We trying hard to re-educated our own community and encourage them to learn more about our religion, more than nod and say amen to all the things their teacher taught them. I believe this is the biggest problem inside muslim community. Indonesian government already captured many terrorist from one of Al Qaeda branch. Studying them they found these terrorist, the low level terrorist, most of them had been recruited by believing on fallacy. Most of them is poor, uneducated, not prominent and usually have criminal record which had been done by them under the forces of poverty. As Muslim this is a shame to have sin and fear of paying it in hell really frightening them. Then those recruiter came to them, offered the one way ticket to heaven, lies to them and told them all fallacy about our religion, misguided and blinded them with the thought of forgiveness from God and heaven. They are uneducated people. They believe to those lies and didn’t have will to seek further about the truth behind it. They look for easy way and Satan caught them in his hands. This is why I believe education is the most important thing to avoid this. Many Muslim are uneducated people because many of us is poor and caused they abandon education because they think they have other better things to do to fill their tummy. In this way, they easy to be mislead and eat those fallacies like it is the truth. But trust me, it is need grand work and will take time to able to success. We stand against terrorism for sure and so is Indonesian government (and I believe other Muslim countries too) Western might not able to see it yet, but we do. If it is Allah will, we will success.
Rawlus :
Yes, Charlie. Indonesia under so many threats by terrorists. In the world, Muslim got so many accused from non believer. How we should live under this circumstance and not become carried away, really need strong will to do, but I guess we have no other way. As Muslim maybe this is our trial to see whether we deserve to become great community or not in the end.
Silver Genes:
I understand and believe you. And thank you for your understanding.
You see, my country not Islamic country. We hold the biggest Muslim in the world but Indonesia is republic. I can’t able to talk on the behalf of others countries whether are Islamic Country or like us, have many Muslim living inside it, because I do not know how they rule their country there, but unless I know my own country. My country does not use Islamic Sharia as our law. There were several times some people tried to change this but in those many times either: their fault. In Indonesia, Muslim live side by side with non-believer of Islam. I embracing several of non-believer of Islam as my best friends. They didn’t fear us because they know, we never have any will to convert them or harm them in any way. This is the truth about Islam. We never taught to forced religion to people who do not believe it, so we will never try to change your law into sharia. But there are always bad and stupid people in every community and usually they speak louder before they even used their head to think and I am so shame to know that they are Muslim.
I think you misunderstand Sharia. Sharia is the law based on our book of God, Al Qur’an. Inside it there are strict rules to keep the law above all. But it doesn’t mean we will use Sharia Law to go against non believer of Islam, well maybe if you are breaking law in Islamic Country; it will become your law too, but it will not happen to you if you live in another country. Muslim put respect on the law of the country we live in as long as it is not against our Sharia or against our religion. For example: in Sharia Law it said all the thieves who proven without doubt steal from other, his hand should be cut. Now, if we live, in America for example, when we find thieves we will not cut his hand because it is not the law of America and the only one who have right to cut the hand of thieves when he got caught without doubt doing it is government only and not commoners. If one group of Muslim dare to cut the thieves hand in the sense of creating government of their own inside government of the country their live inside it, that is mean they are broken the law and this is not right at all. Even the thieves do not get the punishment like Al Qur’an told it supposed to be, true Muslim understand it is not their right to give this punishment and leave it to God to do that later. But in the other hand, Muslim also not able to following the law of the country if this law forced us to doing sin (like order us to kill for example), mostly when it’s pointed to Muslim in person. For example like France; France doing ban on Hijab (veil/head covers) and ordered all Muslim women in France to uncover their head in public. We can’t able to do this because it is our obligation to wear. This is order that Allah gave to every Muslim women in person and even without government involvement, Muslim women have to follow this rule. So, true teaching of Islam will never push Sharia Law to unbeliever of Islam. If Islamic Islam did this, it is their right as government of this country, but inside un-Islamic Country the law is the government’s right to do and to decide how it will be run under agreement of all citizen of this country itself.
Muslim not afraid to stand against terrorists. As muslim we know we should not afraid to go against fallacy and sin. Maybe you never heard about this, but inside Sharia Law terrorism is one of several biggest crimes. But we need time to work on this and hatred toward us not helping this process at all. It only able to raise more hatred and then, the misused will never end.
Again, about Jihad. Jihad was not holy war. It is not about killing infidel. Please check on this Hub to know more about what jihad is: http://hubpages.com/hub/Islams-views-on-extremism- so you will able to see why Jihad still part of Muslim life even until the end of time. Trust me on this and please read. :)
Anyway, Thank you very much, Silver Genes. And I did see your message in my Facebook Profile. Thank you to become my friend. God bless you. ^_^
Pintails :
Salam, PB. We should work on it. We should spread the real teaching of Islam, but mostly to our own community, so they able to stand firmly with the truth and not fall under fallacy and stupidity. Thank you, Dear. I always can count on you. :)
Thanx alot brothers, i think Russel had enough but i would have add more to him. Russel, what u need to know is that its not Islam that support this terrorist acts. As there is in any other major religion, Islam also has extremist that are brainwashed by some scholars having extremist views. @ Pintails, thank u bro, i think russel won't understand and this dont surprise me because the holy Qur'an described the kinds of Russel in Surah An'am as '' and when u call them to the straight path (hudah) they wont follow, and u see them looking at u but actually they are not seeing ''. So here seeing is not with eyes but its with human intellect (aql) and thats what Russel is lacking. Mr. Russel, do u think u can force someone to follow ur religion? This is totally against the freedom of religion which US government said that it honours. So also in Isalam, this is'nt tolerated because the Qur'an says ''there's no compulsion in religion'' and also said '' tell'em (O Muhammad) to you is your religion and to us is ours'' . So its upto u russell to make changes in your character and manner because it does'nt sound like u are human.
rasenstars1:
Thank you. Your support really mean a lot to me. Thank you. dear. :)
Usabaguda :
Ameen! That will be inside prayer of each one of us. Thank you for your info, Uthman, and thank you for always be my little brother. :)
ross670daw:
Hello. Your mother must be beautiful woman because Freya is beautiful name indeed. :p hehehe...
Thank you for your support. I really happy I know you here. :)
MentalistAcer:
Yes, they killed Muslim too. They are just terrorist! Terrorist only!
Thank you very much, sir. You are beautiful soul too.
Faybe Bay:
Ah, this is honour to know you. Thank you for stand in front of me and my family of faith. It is really mean a lot to know we still able to meet so many friends here, I am really feel grateful. Thank you, very very much! May God bless you, dear.
Russel, you are the proof of my point in this Hub. Thank you for your appearance here, so nobody able to say, I told a lie in here, because people like you indeed existed.
Rawlus :
I even do not know what paint chips is, Charlie. LOL.
Pintails:
You wasting your time to depending our faith and me, PB. My hero indeed! :P
Saddlerider:
Coloured Jelly beans? Hahaha... Thank you, Sir. Yes, this Russel is kind of person we usually found in the forums. The worst one.
Rawlus :
I did see Russel comments, but thanks for you all sweet an kindness toward me, his blabber sound like funny jokes to me. Ah, I love you all!
Thank u too sister. Its all our responsibility to show what Islam is all about and its true image as well as its peaceful nature.
Yo Micky, thanks for the very Kind words my friend. You know I respect you and your opinions very much my friend, and I pray that I will meet you too in Heaven my dear friend. But I doubt I will meet 10 virgins as Russell says I will, were he got that from I will never know, its not in the Qur'an at least not in the one I read.
usabaguda, thanks man. You know I may have been hard on Russell but I am human, and some times we over react to such situations. But people like that will never truly understand Islam no matter how much you try to tell him. They already have their mind made up and unfortunately it is lies that help them decide. From the things he has said I doubt very seriously his brother in law is Muslim, and if he is a Muslim, He is a pretty pathetic one, and I would have a problem with his actions same as Russell. Muslims do not drink for one, neither do they do 99% of what Russell has accused us of, and if he thinks Christians do not do the same things, he is a lot more damaged and I thought.
Russell, if you are as wise as you say you are you will know that age is no factor in Wisdom and Knowledge. The bible does state that wisdom is found among the aged, but not all of them, hence the word among and not a more definitive statement like, Isn't wisdom found in all, or only in, the aged.
Is not wisdom found among the aged? Does not long life bring understanding? Job 12:12
It also says this,
If only you would be altogether silent! For you, that would be wisdom. Job 13:5
and this,
Do you listen in on God's council? Do you limit wisdom to yourself? Job 15:8
And here God tells us absolutely that Age has not bearing in Knowledge and Wisdom,
So Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite said: "I am young in years, and you are old; that is why I was fearful,not daring to tell you what I know.I thought, 'Age should speak; advanced years should teach wisdom.But it is the spirit [a] in a man, the breath of the Almighty, that gives him understanding. Job 32:6-8
Wisdom is peace and understanding, something from your statements you appear to lack Russell,
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. James 3:17
Something you need to learn is this,
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. 1 Corinthians 1:17
We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 1 Corinthians 2:6
Russell I could go on and on but I think you get my point now, though I doubt you will ever admit it.
Also I can tell you this as a fact, if you want to convert people, you will not do it by your method. If you want to convert people you need to learn as much as you can about their religion and learn Truth about it, that you may talk to them as they would talk to you, so they can understand and respect you. That is one reason I have been able to convert so many Christians to Islam, I have a great understanding of the Christian religion.
And since you asked yes I have been baptized when I was 13 actually. I was baptized in a river same as Jesus not in some church pool. Being reborn and being baptized are two different things. One can be reborn in spirit with out baptism.
Thank you though Russell, and everyone else. I am indebted to you all. Salam Russell and every one else and may you all be blessed with God's grace. As Hal says, God Akbar.
Sufi Dreamer:
That really great idea! And we can send harsh atheist there too and the fight must become the greatest war ever! They sure turned the talk about God become a jokes.
You are so funny! Hehehehe... Thank you very much, Sir.
Micky Dee:
Hey King Micky, I know! And I am too, like Sufidreamer, will be really proud to walk on your side!
In so many time you already showed me how great soul you are and that is why we called you, King Micky, because we love and proud to have you as our friend.
Thank you very much, Micky. Your kindness is mean a lot to me. \^o^/
Carolina Muscle:
Thank you, Sir. You always able to bring smile in me with your kind words and your funny jokes. Thank you very much. :)
Agusfanani:
It seem it is easy for us in Indonesia to understand what tolerance between different religions is because we know each other very well for so long. But it is different in western world. They never learn about us and once they meet us is through that kind of tragedy. I really understand why the hatred emerged even still in many cases it is feel out of the line sometimes. But somehow, through this Hub I see a hope about peace between us all. Where there is hope there will be a way, insha Allah. Thank you, brother. :)
Russel, what a manner. You only give shamed to your own community in this way. I pity you.
Yusef, Uthman, Micky, Charlie, Saddlerrider, and Sufidreamer, thank you for the fight. Unless today we know each other better than yesterday and I really grateful about that. :) God bless you all, my respected fellow Hubbers and the most beautiful human among all.
Great hub, my friend. You share peace to the world. I am proud become a Muslim and I never regret this is my destiny in our life. Why we blame each other, right! Very inspiring hub. Thank you very much.
Prasetio
Silver Genes: Sorry, there is typo in my comment to you, dear. :(
At second paragraph it should be said: "There were several times some people tried to change this but in those many times either: their failed."
Salam, Pras.
Thank you very much. This is the content of my heart, and I believe many Muslim in the world feel this way today.
Thank you Pras. I am glad you like it. :)
Oh Freya! You know my heart. I'm rough as a pine cone but you know my heart. Sufidreamer and Freya and many more great hearts would be so great to walk and talk with and see progress made toward a saner world. God bless you Freya!
Freya, I read your story and am so sorry you have been hurt by people who spew hate to anyone who believes different than they do. God loves all people.
God Bless
salam sister freya, you are a fantastic and courageous woman, thanks for sharing, i really appreciate you writings.
Allah bless you & all those supporting you..
Micky Dee:
Yes. Micky. I know your heart and I really appreciate your being here in this world. God bless you too, King Micky.
Always exploring:
Thank you very much for your understanding. Yes, God indeed love all people and our diversity is came from Him. But somehow human really love dividing themselves into group because this diversity. So sad, but this is the fact in this world. I learned from the worst, but I am sure it will give me more strength; mostly when I know many friend have great understanding and care as fellow citizen of the world. Thank you, my friend.
Noorenaz:
waalaikum salam, Nehra.
You are too, a fantastic and courageous woman, dear. Thank you for the pray, and I will pray the same for you too. Have a nice day, Sister.
Seems to me if you are the majority of peace lovers over the radical few, .....that you supposed good ones would do everything possible to stop the spread of hate in such a supposed loving religion! We here in America have decided to stop the spread of hate by stopping the Muslim growth when possible! You said yourself that you are afraid of them? We too have reason to be afraid! Also I am suspect of your write and timing! Thanks if your sincere but I doubt it, Why doesn't the leader of millions of Muslims write to us? Why doesn't he go on TV and hammer these hateful fanatical Muslims? Untill this happens I simply want the religion of Islam to be hampered here in my United States!
@ American Romance, so u want hamper the spread of Islam in america ? Well to be honest with u bro, ur goal can't be achieved, ever. Why do u think Islam is now spreading and penetrating deep into the US? Simply because its the truth, nothing more than that. And Islam is'nt ''supposedly peace-loving'' it is ''indeed peace-loving''. I suggest that u ask someone knowledgeable the true teachings of Islam rather than believing media propaganda. Are u calling a religion that orders its followers with/to love your brother as thyself, enjoin righteousness and avoid the evil, give out charity to those in need e.t.c. as not peace-loving ? Well if thats the case then perhaps its the opposite of these that should be advocated. U decide urself.
American, read this.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/03/09
Muslims have, but why would the same news networks that bash Islam so much show that side of them? Also here is an article where 2 news medias have tried to air this and it went absolutely nowhere because it didn't make money, you claim that is what you want but you don't want to hear it, if you did you would see it all over the place like it is. Just because you refuse to acknowledge it or its not on your every truthful media doesn't mean it doesn't exist or its not there. Try looking for it instead of hating so much you lose truth and only follow ideals you agree with, that is not what Jesus taught us.
http://www.google.com/search?q=Islam+speaks+out+ab
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/anushay-hossain/park
I see the same disbelief coming in from the same sources.
I know that God wants the TRUE BELIEVERS to unite. That has to be done with Golden Rule. I hope the true believers will see this and know from where the false doctrines really lie. True believers of any faith must unite with all faiths. There is one true God. We are from all over. Undiscovered islanders that have never heard of religion are our brothers. The Golden Rule is THE unity. Thank you Pintails. Great work. Thank you Freya.
Amen Micky, you keep on keeping on with the good fight. I wish more saw things this way. but unfortunately there are those who hate in the name of Love.
Freya, where was I when all this was coming down! You are such a beautiful person to be persecuted in this manner! I feel for you so much, it is very sad that this is happening to most of Muslim people in the world, my heart is sad. The good thing is that sometimes it takes something like this to wake us all up to the Golden Rule. It matters not what our religion is, what matters is, do we live by the golden rule? You my dear Freya live by the Golden Rule, you practice it daily all day long. Your heart hold love for all, you speak and act it out. You my dear are the epitome of the Golden Rule. I am so happy to be your friend. Thank you Freya for bringing this pain into our view, it took courage and strength to write this, you are a courageous beautiful person in and out! Thank you Freya for being my friend! ~Aloha Nui Loa~
MD; I will wheel it next to you when you make that march along with all the others of you out there who will do the same! It is time to ban together no matter what or who we are, Love conquers all and bonds people together. The hardest thing for us to do is to love our enemy! Are we not suppose to do this also? Is this not part of the Golden Rule? We all have so much to learn and practice yet, so much to learn! Blessings to ALL! We all have the same Creator God who sent many prophets. The question is will we finally learn to love unconditionally?
The Golden Rule is the way we should live as many have said unfortunately the Platinum Rules is, Do as I say, not as I do. Until you get people to look at their own faults, they will never forgive faults they see in others. They can not love another as they don't even love themselves.
pintails, you are so right there. This is the biggest obstacle of humanity and what keeps us all imprisoned in hatred and wars!
American Romance :
Sometimes I do not know how to handle this; how to answer question which I have no answer because it is not me the reason those matter happened, and it is not me who able to fix it.
We are trying our best to remaining everyone around us to learn about our own religion and to not too easy to believe on our teacher's opinion without thinking further. We also speak louder about going against terrorist like my government always do too, but I am not living in the country where terrorist first emerged. I don't know them in person, I don't know why their country not go against them, I even don't know why they think killing is the main way of jihad, because it is not.
Why you asking this question to me? I might have the same religion with them, but I am not them so I don't have the answer for you.
I'm so sorry, American Romance, for your pain and anger. I wish you will find the answer for your Question soon.
Maybe you can ask those question to an Afghan and Iraqi. They must be know better how to answer you than me.
Sa'ge:
It happened while you are sleeping dear, and I am browsing. Blame it to the different time zone! lol
Ah. you are so kind, I am so grateful I meet you here. That is really sweet words to say about me, dear, and I believe you are too; are the same.
We are understand how to love beyond our differences because we understand, no matter what, we are fellow human and we worshipping the same God, the one who created all the world. Differences should make the civilization become more rich, and not, in reverse, destroy it all along with humanity.
Today a Muslim friend who read this Hub asked me, "Freya.... when you will be wake up?" Then I told him, "If peace only part of the dream then I will chose to continue my sleep and live up this dream into reality."
Both side is tired now, but third side (the terrorist) is untouchable. Then cuss on each other, why we don't start to work together and give them hell in the Earth?
Yusef, Uthman, Micky and Sa'ge, thank you very much for the support. I really grateful I have you all in here.
May God bless us all, and give us wisdom we need to solve this matter. Ameen.
Freya...You are offering words that thoughts that so many Americans need to hear from the Muslim community. A true religious faith never teaches one human to intentionally bring pain or death upon another. Anyone inside or outside the faith that sees it that way is misinterpreting the information. Even the Bible has many passages in it that can be defined in so many ways, some in a violent perspective. America is an 'outsider' to the Muslim faith and the silence of that community in the light of this tragedy adds fuel to the fires of the unknown. We all fear the unknown and when it becomes part of a tragic reality, we fear it more. Much in the same way these terrorists have done damage to the Muslim faith, some portion of the American public will act out and damage our image as well. Much of it is based in fear of the unknown. You do a great service to your people and your faith by speaking out openly, sharing your emotions about this tragedy, and letting Americans see, that like them, you too are a human filled with pain and compassion for the victims of this tragedy. Continue in that direction and I think you will find that America will embrace you and all like you in the years that follow this tragedy. Thank you for sharing. WB
Wayne Brown, You're welcome, Sir.
It will be great if this Hub able to open understanding between us, even just a little bit. My hope is high above the sky to see so many friends understand what I am trying to say. I want peace for the world, full with love and friendship. May God bless us all to make that come true. Thank you, Sir. :)
You and I have talked outside of this comment line but for those who aren’t sure, in no way am I advocating anger or bad feeling against Freya or any other person of any religious persuasion. Not now and not ever. However, we do not currently live in a fair and good society and as Shakespeare said, ‘There’s the rub.”
Freya, I have read as you suggested and I have learned more about jihad from different perspectives. It comes down to the same thing every time. There are devout followers who believe with all their heart in the peaceful aspects of Islam and there are those who take it to extreme and use it very differently. With all respect to pintails7886, not all Muslims are adhering to this definition of jihad and it is that form - the jihad of the late Saddam Hussein and of present day Sudan that is the problem. I have avoided getting into a debate because that is not my intention. I am not in disagreement with anything you say. My point was that we need to do something about dangerous extremists. ALL dangerous extremists, not just Muslims.
Let me be very clear in where I'm coming from in this. I am not particularly sympathetic to any organized religion and consider most of them dangerous for individuals and for society. Anything that requires particular public observances, clothing, icons or things that separate and differentiate, are all meant to divide and control and this creates a situation where harmony is difficult if not impossible. This sort of thing is man-made and although for many it is a way of celebrating their faith in goodness, for others it is a method of control. This applies to every organized religion on earth. The word ‘infidel’ means outside the faith. It is not an evil word in itself, but develops into one when one organized group is wielding the word against another. History bears this out. Early in the 20th century, Turkey became the only nation to successfully integrate several religious groups by banning all outward signs of religious affiliation under pain of death. After the first few executions, people got the message. That is a rather extreme solution but perhaps there is something to learn here. If there is no outward show of differences, we get along better. As soon as people start demanding their rights to wear turbans, burkas, crucifixes, priest collars, nuns habits, stars of david, earlocks, carry ceremonial weapons we have division. The idea that we can all get along is utopian and not yet realistic. I am in favour of banning every outward sign of religion regardless of who it may be, what rank they hold or what the religion may be. As far as I’m concerned, that should apply to the Pope and his contemporaries in every other religion, too.
Think about it. If you can’t identify the infidel, you don’t have an enemy. The word infidel is applied here in its true sense.
In my country, Canada, there are an estimated 400,000 Muslims. If 3% are extremists, that means 1,200 extremists are living in my nation with a different view of jihad than the one you hold. In the United States there are almost 10 million Muslims and using the same 3% possibility, the numbers are nearly almost 30,000 extremists living and working among Americans. This is what causes fear, anger and the negative emotional responses that we see on the Internet and in society. Saying we should all live together peacefully makes sense to normal people but extremists are not normal people. As you said, they are usually uneducated, poor young men who are quick to latch on to any organization that provides them a feeling of power and purpose. This same theory has worked for many nefarious leaders throughout history including Adolf Hitler. And that is what we are all up against this time, too. Every Muslim is not a terrorist anymore than every German was a ‘Brownshirt’ (the precursor to the S.S.) but may I point out that the world sat around talking and debating over the issue until it was too late and we had World War II on our hands. Many good German people died as well and many more were silenced through fear of reprisal. Evil makes no distinction by association.
You may think I am being overly dramatic here but I’m not. This is the same situation but with different faces and better technology.
Stepping back from that for a moment and addressing Sharia Law: my country, Canada, is already having to deal with that being introduced here. We are a multi-cultural nation (which is doomed to fail if you look at every other time in history when it has been attempted) and the idea of Muslims governing themselves inside our nation was brought forward as a multi-cultural ‘right’. This has created a lot of concern in my nation and people started demanding that our doors be closed to any further immigration. Extreme reaction? Perhaps. We needed to address the legal issue, not panic and slam doors. However, if a threat exists, pay attention and address it. We haven’t done that properly either.
So you see, my concerns are the same as yours. We need to live in peace with each other and it is not happening right now. We need to join hands and stop these bullies before they get any stronger. It is not okay to threaten people’s lives if they print a cartoon, no matter how disgusting it is to you, or if they write a book criticizing your religion. It is not okay to recruit children and brainwash them into taking up swords for Jesus and gaining political power to rule the White House (see Jesus Camps on YouTube). Neither Mohammed nor Jesus Christ nor any other revered prophet taught us to kill others. We need to stop fighting and start listening. Too many people are dying and that is my point. If we could grow up as a people enough to respect each other and join in harmony and respect rather than doctrine, we could keep whatever belief we wanted and shout it to the world but until we learn how to love, our beliefs should not be allowed to hide ill intent. At this point, I’m still in agreement with John Lennon - Imagine. Fighting for anything - tolerance, harmony, love, eradication of evil - is never justified. Fighting for justice is an oxymoron. We need to be doing the opposite before we have no other choice but to retaliate.
Blessed be, regardless of what path you take.
Freya, you should consider having a little faith in that almost all Americans by far are a tolerant people. Sensitivity and tolerating differences in religion and other cultures is a great part of our society. There is an older term in America , " a silent moral majoriy" that is present still . The truth of the matter is,is that even a fraction of a percent make all the noise in the world. Those who condemn you here are born of ignorance and bigotry and are incapable of knowing common sense. Ninety nine out of a hundred Americans would defend you on the sidewalks of this country against the bigots that even the media gives far too much voice to. Anyone on hub pages who condemns you is simply bigoted and immature . Keep your faith and stay well , don't dwell on the negativity of those who practice way too much free speech. they don't deserve it.
You are so Right ahorseback, too bad people do not believe that about Islam, but it is okay for them to do. I see that and you see that, too bad the yuppies can't see that. That small percent that opens their mouth effects the rest of us though, and makes it bad for the rest of us. The minority often dictates the views of the majority, just look at rich people and movie stars, the only ones you see flaunt like there is no tomorrow so you assume they are all stuck up like that. Regardless of what we know to be truth, we only accept the ones we see on tv as the mascot for all.
Silver Genes, I am little lost in here. What I get from you is:
Because differences caused riot so we all have to look similar and for those who do not agree to do that, we shall kill them?
Isn't it sound like another extremist thought?
Beside, if you read Sharia Law you will see that Islam already put strong threat to those who did crime, but they did it anyway.
Rotten apple is everywhere. oppressing others who took different path with us is not way out of it, mostly if it is about religion. Many people put God seriously in their heart and trying to live up His words. But none of this book of God want to teach violent to human. Experience is the reason human become extremist, so is crazy mind and oppression.
If we want to look further the reason behind why someone become extremist, you will see they all have violent experience; whether in war, in poverty or oppression. They feel sick of it and become angry, and then act through it by doing terrorism. Knowing this, we all must understand, we should fight against violence, oppression and poverty. We should show the way of God; which is through love, and not by put another oppression into their life, because it will caused other look in another way and feel sympathy to what terrorist already through in their life, then end up become terrorist too.
Beside, how you can be sure by oppressing people and forcing them to look the same, they will be the same inside and will do not have any idea of crime? In every module of psychotic behavior, psychopat most knowing as: decent, nice and friendly figure, hide the rotten inside them and fool us all. So ban in not the solution.
I still believe in education. We need to lift up those people from poverty and stupidity. We need to give them freedom from any oppression and any violence of war. We need to show the way of love, not by threw hatred to them, mostly to others who accidentally related with them in religion and choice of life.
About those people who tried to build government inside government, I am agree with you, they need to be eliminate. But not by oppressing others who not doing anything yet, that is insane.
Thank you, Ahorseback. I really believe there always still good hiding inside us all and maybe those anger only came from their hard life and experience.
Thank you for reading this. :)
Thank you, PB. Sleep well.
Freya,
You are a brave woman to submit yourself to the rantings of narrow minded numb-skulls.
I have very little regard for organized religions, though I was raised Catholic and served as an altar boy for 10 years. Too many wrongs have been perpetrated in the name of religion through the centuries.
Why can't we all just agree that we believe in ONE GOD, so "He" (She or It) must be the SAME GOD? And our only differences are in our styles or flavors of worship.
What sick point of view can imagine that our One God would condone killing another of His beloved children because that one doesn't dress, pray or thank Him quite like the one next door? It's twisted and insane.
As long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, do what makes you happy.
Peace.
CP
Freya, thank you for attempting to read that lengthy response. Please understand, I am NOT advocating killing people for looking different. I brought that up because banning religious symbols in a nation is historical fact. Turkey actually had these same problems as we face now and solved it by making everyone put away their outward show of religious affiliations in public. Unfortunately, people were executed if they did not comply. This is NOT something I am advocating. However, banning public display of religion is not a bad idea if people cannot 'play nicely' otherwise. Oppression? No, I really don't see putting religious symbols away in public as oppression when the alternative is bombings, threats and death from fighting over who has the best God. Freedom is important but a safe and caring society is more important to me than wearing a religious symbol. Of course, this could all be avoided by getting along and showing respect but it isn't happening yet. It would be nice if people could behave properly but what I suggested is a possible solution when people refuse. If wearing a cross or something else when we go out is more important than human life, we are beyond saving as a species.
I suppose I could have limited my comments to agreement with everyone else but that doesn't offer an immediate solution.
Freya, I'm not suggesting everyone look the same. I am suggesting that banning provocative symbols (in this case things that display religious affiliations) really does work. It's been done successfully and history bears that out. Once again, I am not suggesting we execute people. I am suggesting if we ALL give up outward displays that are proven to inspire anger and problems in a society it would be a start. It would show that everyone was willing to at least try to be the same people - loving human beings first. What I am advocating is removing the symbols that divide us. That's all. Rather like high school T'shirt bans. I offered this only as one possible solution to an immediate problem. It seems better to me than bloodshed.
Education and an end to poverty for all human beings is the answer. We won't get there by 'fighting poverty' or 'fighting ignorance'. Fighting for anything is still adversarial. We will get there by embracing solutions. We need to start advocating for education instead of 'fighting ignorance' and sharing the world's wealth instead of 'fighting poverty'. In my opinion, our priorities are wrong. Seriously. What would happen if we all 'put our differences aside' literally and reached out to help the person next to us without considering anything other than the fact we are all part of the human family? This is what I am advocating. The rest was just a suggested path to get us there while we are still in our adolescence as a species.
Am Muslim and i have the same felling for all people who suffering in USA because this crime
Christopher Price, hello. I am agree with you but too bad, many people accused Muslim worshipping Satan and that is why they hate Muslim so much. They know.nothing about Islam, and apparently they also know nothing about their own religion. So sad.
Thank you, CP.
Silver Genes: I see your point but I still not able to see banning as solution, because no matter what we wear, we will still the same inside. If all of us look the same it only will give you an ilussion about similarity which not really existed. You only spoiled the fear and not looking way out from it. It may solve problem but only for while.
And if you understand what veil\hijab mean to Muslim woman you will agree with me that it is oppression.
Thank you very much for your comment. I really appreciate this and understand very well that you never mean any harm. :) I hope someday peace really come true.
Ibrahim :Yes. That is what I feel too. Thank you.
Ok i got only one question?
Bikers have huge organizations all over the world, they wear leather and or vests with name and colors, should we ban them also from wearing their colors? and or symbols? just answer yes or no! not trying to be funny here, although it may seem so!
Hehehe... How about Cyclist, Sa'ge? Should we banning Micky from wearing his lycra too? Hmmm.... I guess, different people can come out with different answer, but honestly, should we care? They will do that still, no matter what.
The greatest asset we have in this world of humanity is open communication , and here and right now that is happening , In the western world we are evolving into a world of free speech unhindered by anything ! By anything that is except , closed minds. We , all of us have to remain open minded enough to allow discourse. We have to divorce differences in personalities and emotions from hindering progress in communicating such cultural differences as are shown in an ever increasingly "smaller " world. The minite sarcasm and labeling become part of this process , we lose! Freya , If you can make this conversation about you personally , so can those who would ban the wearing of the "Badges" of their religious and cultural beliefs. Your hub is great in it's raising of the tolerance level everywhere , but the direction of the responses , including yours, is deteriorating when we start "labeling" , maybe the problem is about "wearing it on our sleeves", We seem a little too proud to be different today ,from one another ,that wearing tatoos , biker outfits , berka's and plaid underwear , that we make an "issue" out of everything. All of us are way too easily offended by the other guy for every reason under the sun. The single largest missing ingredient is tolerance of others ........by everyone. On all sides!
Ahorseback, I think you are right.
I'll always try my best, but I guess, maybe, once a while I can lost my control too, because I am only human. Sorry about that, but I must admit to you, it is not easy to always being cool if many fingers pointing on you. I got so many "hell" response just by wearing my scarf on my head. I was not only told that I am blind and liar, I was also told that I am evil and I worshipping Satan, just because I am Muslim. and I guess this is how I learned to become sarcastic and laughed about all accuses I ever heard, because I knew there is some point where I can't do anything about it but laugh on how wrong and weird the acusses are. Me and my girlfriends do that a lot because it is our way to bear this weird world. And maybe this habit starting to ruin me too. Hhhhh...
Anyway, I am agree with you; being sarcastic will ruin everything that I already work for. Thank you for remaining me. I'll try my best to fix it and please forgive me if my words kind of unpleasant to read for everyone. :) Thank you.
Freya , more than likely you are a victim of the ignorance of those who condemn you. I do know that a lot more people will defend you here on the hubs than those who criticise you. The ignorance that hurts you comes from fools , They also make the most "noise" , especially here in America. Have you heard that 99% of the noise comes from 1% of the people. I , as many others , will defend you to the death against bigotry and hatered. But, in all fairness , we must be tolerant of those who will learn from our patience and calm voices. You are that voice , stay well my dear....
"99% of the noise comes from 1% of the people"? Really? Ah, it is good if it is true because that is mean we able to have big hope on it, to have peace in this world. I'll try my best to stay calm. Thank you very much. You are so kind and wise. I am glad I know you. :)
Thank you
hey freya, i am a buddhist and I was trying to tell the same message to all. No religion is powerful enough to condemn others religion. i am new to this hubpage but i felt i should comment on this topic. I am writing a paper regarding this topic. may Allah be with u always.
Khambache:
Ah, you should publishing that topic here, Khambache. It will be great if many Hubbers here showing the same message about this topic. Thank you for reading this, my friend.
Morson:
Thank you very much, Brother. I'll try my best to always writing from the heart. Thank you for reading this. ^_^
Freya , As I read the forums and hubs along this subject matter, muslim, christian , buddist , whatever . I find that there sometimes is just too much "noise " out there, One of the things in life that always humbles me are volunteers , These people who quietly dedicate their lives to the betterment of others, I know a 74 year old man who has volunteered at the Lions Clubs his entire adult life. He has played Santa Claus for poor kids for decades , he constantly volunteers at community dinners , auctions for charity, Parades where he throws candy to kids , charity events , and provides transportation to other elderly people and veterans . He does all this quietly and never speaks ill of anyone , no one knows half of what he does . He is a true hero.....This is a true activist in my eyes , those who only vocalize their activist agendas in such ways as to only critisize others religious beliefs , no matter what that belief is are just fools with a voice. Believe me , I know that talking about the differences in this world is a positive first step, but I refuse to read or respond to those who's venom is obvious. And there are many here on hub page forums , my point is this , don't listen to those who condemn you or any of your beliefs , they are just empty vessels looking to fill their emptiness with your pain and frustrations. Stay well ......and peace.
Dear Freya!
I am a Christian and I was moved by what you had written. I just wanted to say that I care about you and your hurts. I am sorry some of those who claim to love and serve Jesus attack you, that is wrong! However those souls who truly see you and post good comments are ones to read and take in.Those who claim to be Christian should read I John 4:20-21
"If a man say, I love God and hates his brother (or sister :), he is a liar: For he that loves not his brother (or sister) who he can see, how can he love God who he has not seen?
And this commandment we have from him, that he who loves God loves his brother (and sister) also.
Salaam and God bless you and those you love john (England)
"Be Special" Your life maybe the only Gospel those who meet you ever get to read!"
Its a shame you had to go thru all this,Freya.Its not just the Muslim country but terrorism can originate anywhere.While reading your story ,I felt like seeing the movie "My name is Khan and I am not a terrorist", which brought tears to my eyes.The movie was intended to spread the word - not all Muslims are terrorists.But the Indian super star,Shahrukh Khan, who played the lead role in the film(ironically the whole film was shot in the US)was questioned at the US airport and was not allowed to clear the customs unless someone vouched for him in his real life.
God bless you and hope everything gets sorted out soon so you can lead a normal life.
Uma. I feel your feelings. But we should not show our hurt. This is not our time. We are pressed by the various group of so called extremist / fundamentalist / racist etc.
We can only hate them. They don’t like to read the religious books of all religion. They don’t like to consult with the religious scholars. They know a little about religion. But they feel proudly to write against someone’s religion and faith. You know, little learning is a dangerous think. So the dangerous peoples are everywhere. But the good people, good human being are still there. They are trying to uplift the flag of humanity.
We must keep the verse of Quran in our heart that Allah said "O mankind! Allah created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other (not that you despise each other).
So we should have to love mankind, the whole creature of Allah. If anyone hurt us, we should forgive him again and again. If they tried to kill me, then I have every right to defend myself. Let we pray to Allah that he gives the real hidaya and understanding to everyone, the Muslim/Christian/Hindu/Jianist/Buddhist / Maoist/ Tamilist/ extremist/Fundamentalist who are killing men and women all over the world. In Nigeria, Congo, Sieralion., west Africa, Ruwanda, Kashmir (India) , Thailand, Philippine, Cosovo, Palestine, Iraq, Pakistan, Srilanka, Nepal, Uruguay, Paraguay, Chili, Bolivia, Ireland, Serbia, Bosnia etc.
Moktaruzzaman@yahoo.com
Hi, Freya, you certainly have been through it haven't you? I do have a message for Russel though. He states that Bc is before Christ, this is true, but then he says that Ad is after death! what Catholic school did he go to? AD means Anno Domini, in other words after Christ! it is latin! duh! anyway, they obviously never taught him anything, including how to spell! anyway, Freya, we understand totally what you are saying, and I have learned so much from you, thank you and just remember we are all believers in peace here, whatever religion we are, God Bless, hugs Nell
Understandable with some of the challenges that you are enduring. The country still has fresh wounds, and it is rough for us to scar so quickly while our soldiers are dying. Also, it does not help that we as a whole lack the knowledge of faiths that are present in the country. I hope this is something that we can move past, evolve, and grow together to make this country as great as it can be.
Wow, what a beautiful story and I can see how much you have been through all of this.
I do feel bad for the muslims that are good, warm and loving people. I really hope everyone can move past all of this as really when you think about it "What we think about we bring about" and if everyone is still bashing, there is no healing.
Great article!
Kris
Ahorseback:
Yes, I am agree with you. "When we give charity with our right hand, never let our left hand know about that". It's mean do charity and helping others in silent will be better than speak up an empty and useless words. I trying my best to not read and interact with these people who enjoy spread venom to others. They are worthless to be known. Thank you, Ahorseback. Hmmm... I really curious with the reason why you choose that name. :)
John and Marian Barton:
Hello. Thank you very much for your kindness. Through this Hub I finally understand many things, including to not loss hope on humanity, thanks to both of you and many friends in here. Where there is hope, I will keep up my dream to be able see the world in real peace, someday. :)
Uma07:
Ah, I love that Movie and I did cried a lot when watching it. It is really great example about how worst Muslim can through after 9/11 and it is really sad. What I had been through not even 1% of sadness than what he had. In the real life, I am save inside my Muslim community. But outside my country this can be happen. I wish for all Sisters and Brothers of Islam who lives in the western world will never encounter this such of incident. Thank you, Uma. :)
Moktaruzzaman:
I am agree with you but I don't want to hate those who hate me. No good will be created from hatred. We should share love even to those who hate us. Show the way of love, not with hatred. Thank you for reading this. :)
Nell Rose:
Hallo, dear. Some people indeed do not understand the important of education but thought that he knew all; open his mouth and shared his crap to the world. Really hard to believe but many people like that. Here in Hub Pages you can easily find the everywhere, mostly in religion and belief topic. Yes, Nell. We are believing in peace. Thank you, dear. ^_^
ArtBoogy:
That is beautiful wishes I really agree. I hope someday the day will come when all citizen of the world overcome the differences and become one, as fellow human and peace lover. I pray to God for that. Thank you for reading this. :)
Kris Britton:
Yes, no healing can come from hatred indeed. I am glad many people understand this. For those who don't, let teach them how to do that with love. Thank you for reading this. :)
Freya
you are good but give a thought to this oft-repeated comment.
Problem is while not all Muslims are terrorists, all terrorists (As far as America is Concerned) are Muslims.Do you agree?
No. Not all terrorists are Muslim. Where you get that idea?
Hello Freya;
Thirdmillenium you are wrong, wherever did you hear all terrorists according to America are muslim? I guess you are not from the real America. The IRA in Ireland can be terrorists , as can anyone who kills innocent people by indiscriminant acts of violence against civilians. Freya you are to be commended for taking on such a volatile issue in these times , and remember there are many who would defend your rights to practice your faith here in America. I would be one of them. Peace and serenity to you.
Thank you, Ahorseback. I trying my best to keep remember that. Many of my fellow Muslim Hubbers chose to abandon Hub Pages now because around 9/11 the hatred seem raised even it is already cool now. I hope I will never allowing myself to turn into these haters fish, no matter where I be.
Thank you, dear. :)
what does quran say about JEWS? KILL Them is the short answer and i can quote hadits.
The problem is NOT MOSLEMs - the problem IS the books -all of them - kuran, torah and bible -> the only difference being islamic nations are more willing to be hurt than are christians and hindus dont give a damn. thats why hindus and buddists { idol worshiper shits} - never get in "danger" by words and cartoons.. STOP preaching - THAT " there are interpretations" -> how come - so many interpreters and interpretations ?
and yes, i live in a democratic - world, i believe moslems and Hindus and Christians should change THEIR BOOKS. period and full stop and no, please - no EXPLANATIONS AND PREACHING
ps: its a BEGGING TO MOSLEMS -> please stop -PREACHING OTHERS - just dont
ps2: written by a jew and a hindu - who is tired - not of moslems - e have many friends who were born moslems.. but tired of ISLAM AND ISLAMIC JIHAD AND the fan club who is interpreting that i" it didnt mean that? -> well, in tht case CHANGE the hadits - that says KILL :" just cant u ? -- thats the power of hindus - now - go somewhere else dont respond.. i dont care.. its a n appeal u may choose not to hear
olgalednichenko:
What had written inside Qur'an about Jew is only history of Jew and Muslim long time ago when Muhammad still alive. I do believe those stories written to be a lesson and not a reason to hate all Jew.
I know very well, many Muslim today still hate Jews, but it is not because Qur'an told them to, but it is because the cruelty Jews already showed to other all this long, with wars, etc, it made several Muslim thought: "So Jews never changed and they still bad like they used to be and they deserve to be hate." This is prejudice which came out by the time, when Jews decided to gave the worst example to the world about themselves. I don't say this thought of several Muslim about Jews is right, but I only explaining why then so many Muslim hate Jews. I am not haters. I have one friend from Israel who I care so much. And trust me, I am not the only one. Not all Muslim hate Jews.
Ps 1: I don't preaching others about how good my believe is. If other want to do that, it is not my responsiility. I did writing several hubs about Islam, but if someone have no interest on reading it, he should not read it.
Ps2:We can't change the hadidth. Hadidth is book of history on Muhammad saying, but not all of it is right. Good muslim know how they have to follow Qur'an first more than hadidth and they also know to not translated Qur'an Literary.
Thank you for your comment. :)
Freya this is a reality that even non-Muslims would believe in, but the problem is that 97% of the peaceful Muslims do not stand united against those terrorist attacks.In Pakistan on every other day there is a bomb/suicide attack and always innocent people are killed.
And when you said that on hub pages you found many people saying that Muslims are not peaceful and they do not like Islam you are precisely right. Before joining hub pages I never knew the intensity of hatred non-Muslims have towards Islam. I feel badly because I know that Islam is not a religion of terrorism. I wrote on forums in hub pages but then I felt that due to terrorism around the world non-Muslims have been strongly against Islam and now I could not do anything.
Hopefully one day people will think that Islam is not a religion of hatred and terror but a religion of peace and love.
I pray for the same hope too. Now it is our responsibility to share the truth about Islam and educate our own ummah so they will not easily being mislead. It also our responsibility to inform the world about who we really are so they not being mislead by mass media and wrongdoers. Insha Allah, Allah will help us all. Thank you, Sister. :)
The moderates in the Muslim community have to unite and make themselves stronger and sideline the extremists into oblivion. That is the only solution to the suffering of a vast majority of Muslims who feel antagonized every time there is some terror attack.
Goodpal, I am agree with your suggestion. Indeed Muslim need to do that. Thank you. :)
This is clearly a heart-felt article and I have linked to it on my blog on the post Islam in the West, you can read it here:
http://islamonlinelearning.blogspot.com/
Feel free to comment there as well. I hope you don't mind.
i've only just joined hubpages but I hope to be add articles here as well.
May Allah bless and guide you.
Maryam K, Assalammu alaykum, Sister. I'm glad you enjoyed reading this. Welcome to HubPages. And thank you for your kindness. ^^
many of my friend have given great comment to support your view, i must say that,, we see a lot of terror in today world.. and the western world is blaming only the Muslim world .. its not some thing like that Muslims are doing this all,, the terrorist, they dont have any religion, we can see a lot suicide attacks, which every one know,, who do them??? who kill the innocent childerens, who kill the innocent women,, its all becaise of these things... God bless them Right way to follow Islam and Quran WITH Strong belief..
What would ever attract anybody in the US to embrace Islam on the heels of the 9/11 attacks if not a sense of conquest? We saw the celebration around the Muslim world over the attacks. The trouble is that the west thinks it is dealing with rational people. Muslims believe in Allah, they reverence Mohammed, they believe in the efficacy of concept of jihad, that everybody was created by Allah as Muslim who should be forced to revert to the faith. There are no moderate Muslims. They hate other religions. You cannot practice Christianity in Saudi Arabia, the custodian of the faith. The motivation is to conquer Christianity and enthrone world Islamic order. And until the west understands this, and takes appropriate actions, and stop looking for moderate Muslims for there are none, we shall wake up someday to the chant of Assalammu alaykum, in place of good morning.
Salam Freya,
Tulisan bagus. Saya senang anda membahas topik yang menuai banyak tanggapan.
I'm glad that everyone responded to your article, mostly, with maturity. This is the only way we can solve at least part of our problem. Raising or identifying the issue or problem is half way of resolving the issue/problem itself.
Pintails, I'm really proud of you. We really need a bunch of people like you who can try to understand the problem by looking deep into its root cause, not by blaming or fingerpointing people, religion, culture, ethnicity, etc.
The good thing about you is that you came from that background, American white, who used to have stereotypical view about Islam and Muslims shaped by mainstream American media. Now as you are a revert, your voice and thought would be judged less biased by your western or American fellows. If we try to defend ouselves they would think we are apologetic.
Everybody, thanks for maintaining a healthy discussion.
Quran, Onoigbos and Oleleho, thank you very much for your comments. sorry for this very late reply.
Onoigbos: that is very strong accused you said and again without no foundation of knowledge. But thank you anyway to become example of type of person which caused me written this hub.
Oleleho: Alhamdullilah if this can be useful. Are you Indonesian? Assalammu alaykum. Nice to meet you here. ^_^
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I am very sad for the 97% of Muslim's who are peaceful and do not wish any harm on their fellow humans. The 3% is very small in comparison to some other religions who kill and terrorize people for not believing and following their faith.
I pray that the 97% can rally together very strongly to defeat the 3% who cause the terror and the bloodshed of non-believers. What I read constantly is that America wants the 97% to outcry and speak out against the 3%
Thank you Freya for sharing your feelings, I am sad for you that you are mistreated for being a Muslim, it's not being a Muslim which is the problem, it's the terrorists, the 3% within your following who are the cause of all this hatred. Peace to you my friend.